[epub] Re: In response to "Tombo" and the benefits of Spamcop

[Bob Cortez <bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 02:15 PM 4/10/02, Frank Garon wrote:
>No, you are wrong. SpamCop the tool IS defective, it IS ridiculously 
>ineffective in stopping true spammers, and one only has to do even the 
>slightest bit of digging around to find out just how many innocent people 
>have been hurt by it.

SpamCop doesn't have the power, authority or ability to stop anyone from 
emailing anyone at any time.  The fact that some ISP's, Web Hosts, and List 
Hosts are lazy, careless, and insensitive to the needs of their paying 
customers is not the fault of SpamCop.  It is these service providers that 
are hurting innocent people, not SpamCop.

The gripe I have with SpamCop is the anonymity of complaints.  I understand 
their justification, but I don't agree with it.  I also don't think that 
any responsible service provider should make any decision based on a single 
anonymous complaint.  However, that is the problem with the service 
providers... not SpamCop.

If we receive an anonymous complaint from ANY source (and there are plenty 
of other mechanisms for doing so) we take it with a grain of salt.  We'll 
investigate, and try to help the publisher find and remove the subscriber, 
but we're not going to discontinue service over a single anonymous 
complaint.  If you're with a host or service, that would treat you that way 
then I humbly suggest you find another service provider.

>If Julian had a conscience, he would fix his sorry excuse for a solution 
>to our mutual problem, and he would stop allowing innocent people to be 
>reported. No excuse, no justification, no reasoning that you could 
>possibly ever offer me is going to change that.

I don't think any excuse, justification or reasoning is necessary.  Do you 
propose that we disable whois and tracert too?  After all, people use these 
tools and others to send erroneous or deliberately false reports as 
well.  How do we stop idiots from making mistakes or false 
accusations?   Should we just make it so difficult for the average Internet 
user to report Spam, that most don't even bother?  Do you think laws would 
have any better effect on that ISP in China?

I just don't understand your reasoning that makes SpamCop responsible for 
misuse of their tools.  Do we hold car manufacturers responsible for drunk 
drivers?


Bob Cortez
Business and Affiliate Development Manager
ListChannel.Com - Tune Into Your Email
http://listchannel.com/lc/


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