[epub] Re: In response to "Tombo" and the benefits of Spamcop

[Ravi Jayagopal <Ravi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Did you know that, WITHOUT EVER using Spamcop, I can
still report email sent to me by spammers  (and non-spammers,
if I wanted, like some dumb dudes do) to the
administrator of the network hosting that web site
or the ISP using which that email was sent??

I would simply have to do something like this:

1. Go through the complete headers
2. Note down the IP of the sender and of the resources
    abused
3. Do a 'whois' and 'tracert' and see the path
it came to me through, and the 'domain name'
of that IP
4. May be do something more (I don't know what)
5. Forward the email with the full headers to
postmaster@thedomain.com

I wouldn't even know how to check whether this
guy has hijacked someone else's server (testing
for open relay) and report to the admin of that
mail server with open relay (you are NOT supposed
to have open relay enabled on your server. And
spamcop tests that too for me)

I would have to repeat all the steps probably THREEE
to FOUR times to find all the resources the friggin
spammer has abused, in order to send a complaint.

Of course, all this will probably take me just an entire
day of my time (assuming I know how to everything
mentioned above).

And then assuming I do all this, I can still send
the reports using just my email client - I don't need
no stinking Spamcop!

But guess what, I have a life, and I'm not prepared
to spend half my life defending my inbox.

So, instead I use Spamcop to do the dirty work.

Spamcop sends all these reports to the abused
resources - and guess what - if your host is lame
enough to cut you off just because someone wrongly
reported your legitimate newsletter, and if one
is lame enough to stay with such a host, then
why blame Spamcop??

Bob wrote:
>Do we hold car manufacturers responsible for drunk drivers?

Bob, you hit the nail on the head! I just can't say it
better than that.

If you still think Spamcop is to be blamed for the
stupidity of your ISP, then so be it. It is like
arguing with the frog in the well - he knows not
what lies outside, and thinks that the well is
the biggest and greatest thing ever on earth.

The law says 'Innocent until proven guilty'. If
your ISP doesn't care to follow the law, then
it is like having a stupid Jury who hangs the
accused without any evidence!

And why am I so HOPPING MAD at spammers? And why
am I defending spamcop so aggressively? Because
my domain name email (username@babynamesindia.com)
is dead and gone forever - Rest in Peace! - thanks
to those scum bag spammers, who are sending me
20,000 emails per DAY! - yes, I said "per DAY"! - for the
past 6 months - and now my only option to bring back
my email is to go for a dedicated server, because
no virtual host wants my domain name because it
brings down their server within hours of hosting
my web site!

I'm getting so much spam that it has ruined my
business! FOREVER!

And I AM going to go down fighting - using spamcop,
or whatever legitimate tool I can lay my hands on.

Does spamcop have flaws? Sure!

But know what? I have enough brains to report only
legitimate emails from people who want me to enlarge
my pa**age, enhance my b***sts, lengthen my P****s,
make $1500 per day working from home, do it better
by buying vi***ra, or whatever SH*T.

Can you blame gun manufacturers because some a$$*ole
let his spoiled son steal a loaded gun from the house
and shoot down a bunch of young, innocent high school
children?

Anything powerful, when it falls into the wrong hands,
can get dangerous. Blame the parent who didn't keep
the gun safely (and unloaded!) and not the company
which manufactures guns!

Why not blame the law in this free country which lets
people buy guns without much hassle? (I'm sure
there is a reason for that, that I don't know of)

Ravi Jayagopal
Author of the soon-to-be-released FREE ebook,
"My vendetta against SPAM".
http://www.WebmasterInABox.net

P.S: And oh yes, I have been at the receiving end
of spamcop after some nasty subscriber (or my hapless
competition) forged my email, and changed the content of
my email and falsely reported it to spamcop, and my
"EX"-ISP cut me out for a few days (note the emphasis on
'EX' ;-)





At 04:55 PM 4/10/02 -0800, you wrote:
>At 02:15 PM 4/10/02, Frank Garon wrote:
>>No, you are wrong. SpamCop the tool IS defective, it IS ridiculously 
>>ineffective in stopping true spammers, and one only has to do even the 
>>slightest bit of digging around to find out just how many innocent people 
>>have been hurt by it.
>
>SpamCop doesn't have the power, authority or ability to stop anyone from 
>emailing anyone at any time.  The fact that some ISP's, Web Hosts, and 
>List Hosts are lazy, careless, and insensitive to the needs of their 
>paying customers is not the fault of SpamCop.  It is these service 
>providers that are hurting innocent people, not SpamCop.
>
>The gripe I have with SpamCop is the anonymity of complaints.  I 
>understand their justification, but I don't agree with it.  I also don't 
>think that any responsible service provider should make any decision based 
>on a single anonymous complaint.  However, that is the problem with the 
>service providers... not SpamCop.
>
>If we receive an anonymous complaint from ANY source (and there are plenty 
>of other mechanisms for doing so) we take it with a grain of salt.  We'll 
>investigate, and try to help the publisher find and remove the subscriber, 
>but we're not going to discontinue service over a single anonymous 
>complaint.  If you're with a host or service, that would treat you that 
>way then I humbly suggest you find another service provider.
>
>>If Julian had a conscience, he would fix his sorry excuse for a solution 
>>to our mutual problem, and he would stop allowing innocent people to be 
>>reported. No excuse, no justification, no reasoning that you could 
>>possibly ever offer me is going to change that.
>
>I don't think any excuse, justification or reasoning is necessary.  Do you 
>propose that we disable whois and tracert too?  After all, people use 
>these tools and others to send erroneous or deliberately false reports as 
>well.  How do we stop idiots from making mistakes or false 
>accusations?   Should we just make it so difficult for the average 
>Internet user to report Spam, that most don't even bother?  Do you think 
>laws would have any better effect on that ISP in China?
>
>I just don't understand your reasoning that makes SpamCop responsible for 
>misuse of their tools.  Do we hold car manufacturers responsible for drunk 
>drivers?
>
>
>Bob Cortez
>Business and Affiliate Development Manager
>ListChannel.Com - Tune Into Your Email
>http://listchannel.com/lc/


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