[epub] Re: In response to "Tombo" and the benefits of Spamcop

[Bob Cortez <bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 07:31 AM 4/11/02, Frank Garon wrote:
>Meanwhile - the professional spammer goes on unchecked. I know this to be 
>true, because I report the same professional spammers to SpamCop, and they 
>just keep on coming.

Frank, SpamCop doesn't shut ANYONE down.  All they do is provide a facility 
for people to report possible spam to ISP's, Web Hosts, and List Hosts.  If 
the ISP chooses to ignore the complaint and allows the spammer to continue 
how can you blame SpamCop?  Seems to me you want to blame SpamCop 
regardless of what the ISP does.  If the ISP doesn't stop a spammer it's 
SpamCops fault, If an ISP wrongly shuts down a legit emailier, it's 
SpamCops fault.

>Quite frankly, comparing them to credible and useful resources like whois 
>is a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY big stretch, my friend.

Actually its not a stretch at all because the whole SpamCop system is based 
on the whois and tracert utilities.  They've added some enhancements such 
as checking and recording open relays but it is the same basic program only 
automated for use by the average Internet user.

>If our boy Julian could come up with something that keeps the kiddie porn 
>and the open relay crap from China coming into my box - while at the same 
>time making damn sure that no one innocent gets hurt - then I will be the 
>FIRST one to embrace and endorse him. I don't see it coming though, for 
>some odd reason...

That 'odd reason' is because that is not the function of SpamCop.  SpamCop 
is a research and reporting tool.  It is the service provider's 
responsibility to take those reports and do the responsible thing with 
them.  Whether that responsible thing is to shut down the account, or to 
ignore the complaint as being frivolous, fraudulent, or in error is up to 
the service provider.  It is the service providers that are in control of 
these accounts where you should be placing the blame and venting your anger 
over innocent victims being shut down or spammers being allowed to continue.

>I appreciate the open dialogue we are having here, but we should just 
>agree to disagree at this point. You won't change my views, and I am not 
>going to try to change yours. Have a great day, all the same!

I too appreciate the dialogue.  I continue the exchange not to change your 
view, but perhaps to help others understand better what SpamCop is and 
isn't, what they do and don't do, and to offer some counter balance to your 
opinion.  Reasonable people can have different opinions based on the same 
set of facts.  This isn't personal.  I don't have an interest in SpamCop, 
or wish you any ill will.

Best wishes to you in all your endeavors.

Bob Cortez
Business and Affiliate Development Manager
ListChannel.Com - Tune Into Your Email
http://thelistoflists.com


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